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Posted by garhkal erikhawley

erikhawley wrote:
When in the common areas, it is far easier to stick the badge out of sight and then put it back on when you need it to get into an exhibit hall.

True.  And i've left mine Tucked under my shirt before after going outside to smoke or to the toilet... 

Posted by mhayward1978 austicke

austicke wrote:
Yes, you are. The policy states that badges are required for everyone attending Gen Con while in the convention center. And surrounding hotels. And during events.____________________________________________________
Alec Usticke, Unofficial Gen Con Indy Facebook Discussion Group

A badge isn't required to be in the surrounding hotels - even those with event hosting space.

Even if that's what a clear reading of the policy says, it is a misstatement or misinterpretation.

All the hotels there do non-gencon business during Gen Con.  I've walked through wedding receptions on the way to Gen Con events in various hotel conference rooms.  The attendees were most definitely not Gen Con badge holders.

 

Posted by austicke mhayward1978

mhayward1978 wrote:A badge isn't required to be in the surrounding hotels - even those with event hosting space. Even if that's what a clear reading of the policy says, it is a misstatement or misinterpretation.

The bottom line is that if you attend Gen Con, a badge is required. It's not that complicated.

____________________________________________________
Alec Usticke, Unofficial Gen Con Indy Facebook Discussion Group

Posted by bith

But the even bottomer line is -- being in hotel spaces that are not reserved for GenCon is not attending GenCon, even if GenCon has events in that particular hotel.

Posted by braewe

What Alec is politely trying to say is that if you plan on attending or participatng in gen con events, you need a badge. Obviously if somehow somewhere by some miracle, a hotel booked a wedding party the week of gen con, and you are a part of that wedding party, you are NOT attending gen con and therefore do NOT require a badge.

Common sense, folks.

I still don't see how they're going to deal with badge-copying, badge-trading, etc. Yes, it's plastic, but put some backing on it and stick it in a badge holder and it'd be pretty difficult to tell.

Which...since now badges are selling out, means at some point, some sort of security is going to be used to deal with it. How does SDCC handle it? I've never been.

Posted by trace_sl

If it does become a problem, I expect a holographic image or a chip inserted in the badge (more likely) to prevent counterfeiting.  Hall wardens would then have hand held scanners to verify badges.  Personally, I would not be surprised to hear that badges do not have a chip in them already. 

Just using a bar code scanner and asking for ID, if issues with the code could catch counterfeiters.   

Again, look at the interactive map, if it is not light tan, you need a badge and that includes the hotels. 
   

Posted by leswhittaker

You want ticket prices to go up?  Because that's how you get ticket prices to go up.

Posted by garhkal leswhittaker

leswhittaker wrote:
You want ticket prices to go up?  Because that's how you get ticket prices to go up.

Well if gencon starts seeing issues with people copying/faking badges, they just might HAVE to..

Posted by mhayward1978 trace_sl

trace_sl wrote:
If it does become a problem, I expect a holographic image or a chip inserted in the badge (more likely) to prevent counterfeiting.  Hall wardens would then have hand held scanners to verify badges.  Personally, I would not be surprised to hear that badges do not have a chip in them already. 
Just using a bar code scanner and asking for ID, if issues with the code could catch counterfeiters.   
Again, look at the interactive map, if it is not light tan, you need a badge and that includes the hotels. 
   

No need for that.

They could require some GMs at some more popular events to scan badges (which already have a barcode), and/or require a badge scan in order to make a purchase in the exhibit hall.

Really - there is nothing to worry about here due to the nature of Gen Con's ticketing system.

At most cons the most sought after events are general admission with no pre-registration - so there is an incentive to fake or counterfeit a badge.

At Gen Con unless you are there to do people watching or attend seminars, you'll need event tickets - having a badge only and no event tickets is relatively less appealing.

 

Posted by trace_sl

It only takes a few bad apples :)  Or some good apples to complain about the bad apples. :) 

Posted by mhayward1978 austicke

austicke wrote:
mhayward1978 wrote:A badge isn't required to be in the surrounding hotels - even those with event hosting space. Even if that's what a clear reading of the policy says, it is a misstatement or misinterpretation.

The bottom line is that if you attend Gen Con, a badge is required. It's not that complicated.____________________________________________________
Alec Usticke, Unofficial Gen Con Indy Facebook Discussion Group

Here is what I am trying to clear up, and which someone who read your original post (which you have removed from your quote) would be lead into confusion about:

  • Am I required to wear a badge to attend Gen Con events within ICC / Lucas Oil - Yes, as a matter of both Gen Con policy, and in practice this is enforced
  • Am I required to wear a badge to wander about the hallways of ICC during Gen Con - Yes, as a matter of Gen Con policy - however historically and also likely this year this will not be enforced unless you are making some difficulty
  • Am I required to wear a badge to attend Gen Con events within surrounding venues such as hotels - Yes, as a matter of both Gen Con policy, and in practice this is enforced

So far we are in agreement.

But then, there is the further matter of:


  • Am I required to wear a badge to be present in the surrounding hotels in general. - No, there is no such policy, and any implication that there is such a policy is preposterous on its face.  In fact, there will be many people in the surrounding hotels who are not Gen Con attendees and who will not be wearing Gen Con badges.

Hope that clears up the point of distinction I was trying to get across.
 

Posted by mhayward1978 braewe

braewe wrote:
Obviously if somehow somewhere by some miracle, a hotel booked a wedding party the week of gen con, and you are a part of that wedding party, you are NOT attending gen con and therefore do NOT require a badge.

You have an extremely low bar for the miraculous.  Every year recently there have been a bunch of other things going on in Indianapolis during Gen Con, such as professional sporting events, concert tours, the Indiana State Fair, and even other conventions.

I invite you to check out the "Events" board in any connected hotel you happen to be in during your stay at Gen Con.  You are likely to see several concurrent events in the hotel which are unrelated to Gen Con.

But, at least we are in agreement that there is no blanket policy requiring Gen Con badges in surrounding hotels!

Posted by austicke mhayward1978

mhayward1978 wrote:But, at least we are in agreement that there is no blanket policy requiring Gen Con badges in surrounding hotels!

You and I aren't in agreement. Badges are required when attending Gen Con. Even in their contracted hotels.

Posted by trace_sl

mhayward1978 wrote:But, at least we are in agreement that there is no blanket policy requiring Gen Con badges in surrounding hotels!

See the interactive map zoom in on the hotels, see the light tan areas, those are public, see the darker rooms, such as the Ballrooms, those are events.  You can not go there without a badge.  You have to have a badge to enter any event location, that includes the hotels that are hosting events. 

Posted by rhone1

Why in the world are you guys having a discussion about being in agreement or not regarding wearing badges?  

I'm moving on from this one.  

Posted by austicke rhone1

rhone1 wrote:Why in the world are you guys having a discussion about being in agreement or not regarding wearing badges?

I know; it's weird: sometimes people have discussions on discussion forums.

____________________________________________________
Alec Usticke, Unofficial Gen Con Indy Facebook Discussion Group

Posted by mhayward1978 rhone1

rhone1 wrote:
Why in the world are you guys having a discussion about being in agreement or not regarding wearing badges?  
I'm moving on from this one.  

Because someone, who shall remain nameless, in response to a question about what the badge policy is and where badges must be worn, made an confusing and incorrect claim that one was required to wear a badge in surrounding hotels.  

This claim is false in general, and the policy for hotels differs from the policy for the ICC, so the distinction is relevant.

Why in the world are you questioning the value of providing accurate information to people who ask questions about badge presentation policies?

I'm moving on from this one.
 

Posted by nialith leswhittaker

leswhittaker wrote:
You want ticket prices to go up?  Because that's how you get ticket prices to go up.

<slow clap> Love the reference. 

Posted by nialith austicke

austicke wrote:
mhayward1978 wrote:But, at least we are in agreement that there is no blanket policy requiring Gen Con badges in surrounding hotels!

You and I aren't in agreement. Badges are required when attending Gen Con. Even in their contracted hotels.

C'mon Alec, hotels have completely different policies. You only need a badge at the hotels when you are participating in an event in one of the rooms. Trying to say anything different and you are losing credibility. One year at the Downtown Marriott, they had to put a sign up outside one of the conference rooms to keep attendees from accidentally walking in on the meeting they were using it for. Those people certainly didn't need badges to be in the hotel. 

Posted by mhayward1978 austicke

austicke wrote:
mhayward1978 wrote:But, at least we are in agreement that there is no blanket policy requiring Gen Con badges in surrounding hotels!

You and I aren't in agreement. Badges are required when attending Gen Con. Even in their contracted hotels.

I think maintaining we are in disagreement when we are not is counterproductive, but have it your way.

Here is what I said about that:



  • Am I required to wear a badge to attend Gen Con events within surrounding venues such as hotels - Yes, as a matter of both Gen Con policy, and in practice this is enforced 


Feel free to illuminate the portion of disagreement perceive on that point.

Since I agreed with you on that, perhaps you would be so good as to agree with me that badges are not required, as a blanket policy, in Gen Con surrounding hotels.  Or not.  In which case I will factor that in to my future accounting of your ability to reliably and clearly interpret and convey Gen Con policies.
 

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