No hotel rooms at 2:39 for three
Posted by not-going-to-gencon raptorov

raptorov wrote:
not-going-to-gencon wrote:
My time slot was four hours after hotel reservations opened and, predictably, there was nothing left. I was looking for a room just for myself.
I then had a look at hotel rooms that are not part of the Gen Con block, but it turns out they are either too far (5.5+ miles) or crazily expensive (£600+ per night!). 
I am guessing from your hotel price that you are from over seas. If you don't know no one would ever use the phrase "Modern transportation system" and "United States of America" in the same sentence. I think the USA packed it in after the moon landing.
Someday I would love to go to Essen for Spiel. It would be cool to see how that is run.
Its too bad too, Indy is well positioned to be well connected by something other than car.

Yes, I'm from the UK. I did investigate the public transport option in Indiana but, as you indicate, there's a dearth of provision. There are a few bus routes with infrequent services that don't go anywhere near the outer hotels, so not much good. 

I'm not keen on the taxi option and I am most certainly not renting a car. There's public transport where I live and I haven't driven in years. I'm not about to start again in another country.

I realise that walking, using public transport and not driving are largely foreign concepts in the US which is a shame for economic, environmental and social reasons. Looking at the map of Indianapolis, I reckon the city could make considerable use of a tram system. 

Posted by ststroud

I'm in the same boat...probably going to have to end up driving half an hour, fighting con traffic and paying an arm and a leg for parking because, despite following instructions and logging into the portal at my assigned time, nothing was available to me. Best info I can find is their note that "Over the coming days and weeks we’ll be procuring supplemental inventory and making it available for booking on a first-come first served basis". But no information about how or when additional inventory will be made available. This is my first gencon, really hoping the rest of the con is better organized than this.

Posted by raptorov not-going-to-gencon

not-going-to-gencon wrote:
raptorov wrote:
not-going-to-gencon wrote:
My time slot was four hours after hotel reservations opened and, predictably, there was nothing left. I was looking for a room just for myself.
I then had a look at hotel rooms that are not part of the Gen Con block, but it turns out they are either too far (5.5+ miles) or crazily expensive (£600+ per night!). 
I am guessing from your hotel price that you are from over seas. If you don't know no one would ever use the phrase "Modern transportation system" and "United States of America" in the same sentence. I think the USA packed it in after the moon landing.
Someday I would love to go to Essen for Spiel. It would be cool to see how that is run.
Its too bad too, Indy is well positioned to be well connected by something other than car.

Yes, I'm from the UK. I did investigate the public transport option in Indiana but, as you indicate, there's a dearth of provision. There are a few bus routes with infrequent services that don't go anywhere near the outer hotels, so not much good. I'm not keen on the taxi option and I am most certainly not renting a car. There's public transport where I live and I haven't driven in years. I'm not about to start again in another country.
I realise that walking, using public transport and not driving are largely foreign concepts in the US which is a shame for economic, environmental and social reasons. Looking at the map of Indianapolis, I reckon the city could make considerable use of a tram system. 

I will say, one option is the Indy 8 bus. It runs from the airport to downtown. One year while at an airport hotel, I used the free hotel airport shuttle to go to the airport, then caught the Indy 8 bus downtown. The bus driver even let me know when we were closest to the convention center. So, not ideal, but an option. You just have to watch how late the 8 bus runs, as it was then, not super late into the evening.

Posted by quarex ststroud

ststroud wrote:
I'm in the same boat...probably going to have to end up driving half an hour, fighting con traffic and paying an arm and a leg for parking because, despite following instructions and logging into the portal at my assigned time, nothing was available to me. Best info I can find is their note that "Over the coming days and weeks we’ll be procuring supplemental inventory and making it available for booking on a first-come first served basis". But no information about how or when additional inventory will be made available. This is my first gencon, really hoping the rest of the con is better organized than this.
I am not sure this will be hugely reassuring to you, but it is hard to find many people who go to lots of conventions who would not argue Gen-Con is arguably the best-run one of all.  People who prefer standing in line to ticket lotteries might disagree but usually the entire convention proper is a well-oiled machine in my experience 

Posted by raptorov

Lets be honest. Much of my issue which is probably shared by many, is age related. I am no longer in my 20's (or 30's for that matter). When I was, any small space to crash, long walks, crazy connections was no big deal, make it happen. Now that I am in my 50's, those things aren't so available and better accommodations are needed. There is no way I can do the all night drives like I used to, or hiking through town with my backpack from the bus stop. The spirit is willing, but the flesh is weak.

Posted by orizen raptorov

raptorov wrote:
Let’s be honest. Much of my issue which is probably shared by many, is age related. I am no longer in my 20's (or 30's for that matter). When I was, any small space to crash, long walks, crazy connections was no big deal, make it happen. Now that I am in my 50's, those things aren't so available and better accommodations are needed. There is no way I can do the all night drives like I used to, or hiking through town with my backpack from the bus stop. The spirit is willing, but the flesh is weak.

Exactly.  I’m pushing 60 and am developing mobility issues.  Without changes, older people may start having to bow out.

Posted by ststroud quarex

quarex wrote:
ststroud wrote:
I'm in the same boat...probably going to have to end up driving half an hour, fighting con traffic and paying an arm and a leg for parking because, despite following instructions and logging into the portal at my assigned time, nothing was available to me. Best info I can find is their note that "Over the coming days and weeks we’ll be procuring supplemental inventory and making it available for booking on a first-come first served basis". But no information about how or when additional inventory will be made available. This is my first gencon, really hoping the rest of the con is better organized than this.
I am not sure this will be hugely reassuring to you, but it is hard to find many people who go to lots of conventions who would not argue Gen-Con is arguably the best-run one of all.  People who prefer standing in line to ticket lotteries might disagree but usually the entire convention proper is a well-oiled machine in my experience 
That's awesome to hear. Only other con I've really been to is SDCC, but I lived there at the time and didn't have to bother with all the lodging/transporation headaches. Really looking forward to Gencon, assuming I'm not sleeping in my car with my wife and 7yr old haha.

Posted by njseahawksfan quarex

quarex wrote:
ststroud wrote:
I'm in the same boat...probably going to have to end up driving half an hour, fighting con traffic and paying an arm and a leg for parking because, despite following instructions and logging into the portal at my assigned time, nothing was available to me. Best info I can find is their note that "Over the coming days and weeks we’ll be procuring supplemental inventory and making it available for booking on a first-come first served basis". But no information about how or when additional inventory will be made available. This is my first gencon, really hoping the rest of the con is better organized than this.
I am not sure this will be hugely reassuring to you, but it is hard to find many people who go to lots of conventions who would not argue Gen-Con is arguably the best-run one of all.  People who prefer standing in line to ticket lotteries might disagree but usually the entire convention proper is a well-oiled machine in my experience 
This is 100% accurate.  The only reason I even go to PAXUnplugged is because I live 25 minutes away by train.

Posted by jackogk

I have to agree with quarex on that assertion and not just because he's a scholar and a gentleman.  Gen Con is very well run and organized for what it is and the limitations it must operate within.

Posted by colbrook

There's three hotels showing on the portal right now, one airport an two suburb. Been there a while so looks like extra inventory rather than cancellations

Posted by urielblue

We didn't get an In-block room, first time in 15+ years... We are staying 5 miles out, which is a 10 minute ride; faster than walking to First Watch every day from the JW, so I'll take it. Yes, my every morning breakfast will be @ First Watch. :D Trying to stay positive. My total will be less than 300, when it's usually 700 or so, so saving lots of $ (Woohoo!). The only real negative is that I like to do the Dealer Hall for a long while, then back to room, shower/change, then to evening gaming, but I'll make it work. GENCON!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by llenlleawg urielblue

urielblue wrote:
We didn't get an In-block room, first time in 15+ years... We are staying 5 miles out, which is a 10 minute ride; faster than walking to First Watch every day from the JW, so I'll take it. Yes, my every morning breakfast will be @ First Watch. :D Trying to stay positive. My total will be less than 300, when it's usually 700 or so, so saving lots of $ (Woohoo!). The only real negative is that I like to do the Dealer Hall for a long while, then back to room, shower/change, then to evening gaming, but I'll make it work. GENCON!!!!!!!!!!!!

Now THAT is the attitude we like to see!

Posted by maijstral2

I've been doing Gencon for 20 years and only NOT gotten a downtown room twice and both times it was my choice, trying to save money. I have missed the housing lottery as many times as I've hit it but I just keep checking back and always get a decent room from returns especially in the last week before the rooms get locked down. I only found out about the Gencon hotels website last year so if it existed before that I didn't use it I just lurked while online and would usually get something. My point being if you don't get a room in the housing lottery its still very possible to get a downtown hotel room with just a little patience. And to further the point, my job doesn't have computer access so I am only online after work when I'm online anyway maybe 4-5 hours a day on average. 

Posted by general308 squirecam

squirecam wrote:
quarex wrote:
Indianapolis is the city with the most connected hotel space to a convention center in the entire country if I recall correctly, so if 5 miles is too far to go from your hotel there is likely nowhere in the country or world that could support Gen-Con.
My catchphrase is that the only wrong choice is not going, so I encourage anyone thinking being 5 miles away is a death sentence to hear that I was 12 miles away in 2003 and still had an amazing time (even being in a 5-hour-long badge purchase line from the infamous virus shutdown) 
This may be true. But it ignores walkable rooms. Dallas has 15k walkable rooms to its million sq ft convention center. Indy has 7500. Connected rooms in indy are more but most people would rather be walkable than driving in.Dallas also has airport trams direct from the convention.
I like Indy. But there are other options where twice as many rooms are available within walking distance.
As much as I would love Dallas because I live 2 1/2 hours away and am willing to dismiss the not enough people in drive range because like 4 of the 10 largest cities in the country are in Texas.     But as much as I like that ideal you are leaving out one thing.  Nobody likes walking outside in Dallas at the end of July begainning of August because of the heat.

Posted by eternusiv

The real question is what happens pre-lottery.

One thing to watch: how many rooms in the block are set aside for vendors, VIGs, TD and volunteers (which are vital to promote the things we like to see at Gencon)  As the Con grows, so may the number of rooms that never see the light of day on the housing block.

I have no idea what percentage.  However, this eventually could raise prices to the benefit of the hotels for rooms sold outside the block at the expense of attendees who aren't as involved with the con. Suddenly a "club' mentality might take over and the rooms land to those savvy enough to work the system behind the system.  The whole VIG gambit seems to have devolved into a housing guarantee premium, and the whole 'have everyone buy a badge separately for a separate lottery ticket' strategy' further inflates demand.

While groups sit on extra rooms before the dreaded cancellation deadlines, those on the outside are at the mercy of a web script developed by someone kind enough to do so for beer money, or praying one opens up at a mega premium price through other hotel booking sites.

To provide normal hotel pricing for Gencon 'Insiders' seems fair on one hand , but quickly leads to gouging on the other. VIG tickets go up, hotels increase prices much higher than any other time of year in Indy, and not just because of overall demand, but in part to the decisions made to hand out regular priced rooms to a select group of people.

Eventually you can foresee a scenario where the housing block/ participating hotels get nervous from potential consumer driven lawsuits, complaints etc. and maybe they tweek adjustments here and there to look as though the block is doing Everyone a huge favor when in fact it's only helping the pre-lottery players, and the ones who draw a ticket between noon and 1pm or 2pm or whatever it was.

On the flip side, badge prices have been kept reasonable but I can foresee a trade off between higher badge prices, and more housing availability.  Whoever is managing this must go insane sometimes.:p

We'll see how it trends in the next few years.

In the meantime I definitely recommend driving in, using the mall parking/Gate Ten parking, and enjoying more food options and an escape from the masses.  Staying outside downtown has its upsides!

There are rooms still available 15-20m away.  We reserved South Greenwood prior to the lottery and there is still availability.

Posted by helenbb
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Posted by eternusiv helenbb

helenbb wrote:
IIRC, there are some new hotels opening up downtown in 2026. Won't help for this year or next yea, but they are on the horizon.
Thats great.  Hopefully a huge chunk of those rooms are available to con consumers. 

I really don't want see Gencon consider moving as Indy has certainly put in considerable investment to improve what they can.

I also think it sucks to see people who love Gencon get priced out/distanced out, due to the shortage.

Posted by kevinrg helenbb

helenbb wrote:
IIRC, there are some new hotels opening up downtown in 2026. Won't help for this year or next yea, but they are on the horizon.

I thought as a part of that there would actually be more convention space.  If there is more convention space that in turn might increase the attendance cap.  If that happens, with increased attendance you need more events, more events means more spaces reserved for people that run events and more competition for downtown hotel spaces.    So, more hotels downtown might not have any impact from a percentage of attendees staying downtown.   You might have more downtown however, as a percent of attendees... might be flat.    (Assuming the con attendance cap increases)

I don't know what consumer driven lawsuits would occur from not having enough space.

The one thing that could help downtown hotels is to incentivize people that really don't care about being downtown to even try being downtown (either not putting them in the lottery or blocking downtown hotel booking in the block).   You could do this via reduced badge price, priority to the event queue or other methods.   Or you remove the amount of people in the lottery by doing group discounts under 1 person so people aren't buying badges just to get multiple lottery chances.   If VIG is truly just turning into a 'I'm paying X amount to get a hotel' then they might as well do away with that too and grandfather those in the current program, but stop taking new people in.

Others have suggested that Gencon just get out of the hotel game completely other than for vendor/event organizers.

At the end of the day, there is absolutely no place on earth that would make everyone 100% happy with every aspect of a con.   

And think Gencon is bad for hotel prices?  Take a look at Nov 1-3 when Taylor Swift is in town.  Thought I saw $3K a night for Conrad and others in that $2-3K range.

Posted by eternusiv kevinrg

kevinrg wrote:
helenbb wrote:​​​​​
I don't know what consumer driven lawsuits would occur from not having enough space.
Google "artificially inflate hotel room prices" + lawsuit.  Class Action variety.  Complex stuff.  Unfortunately one complaint that survives the frivolous standard, costs everyone, including Gencon, a response, and therefore a retainer to attorneys.  I'm going to venture the margins for the hotels, are healthier than Gencon's to absorb the cost.

The recent NAR commission lawsuit, as a parallel example.  Yardi lawsuit.

So yes, eventually, Gencon may elect to remove themselves from the process entirely.  It's possible that manipulating real time hotel prices (even unintentionally) are harder to explain or defend in the 2024 landscape.  Further, it's unknown how directly Gencon is involved in setting rooms aside to trigger a threshold that creeps into artificial inflation. I knows enough to know its a complex area.  Maybe q-rooms covers the cost and is on top of this  Who knows?

I Don't think Taylor Swift sets aside a massive housing block a year in advance of her shows...if she did...prices might even be higher.

Anyway

See you this year!  I don't think a solution was ever discovered on these forums, and it's definitely above my pay grade :p. I apologize if it raised alarm.  It's like, just my opinion, man :)

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Posted by squirecam

One option is that to get a downtown room you need to book Wednesday to Sunday. 

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